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Thursday, October 16, 2008


Right. All non-Christians are praying that Barack Obama will be elected. That's why it's important for the REAL God to step in right away and fix the election. God's reputation is on the line.

People are saying that all of these prayers are pre-approved, but I have a hard time believing that any political leader would approve this garbage. In fact, I can hardly believe any Christian would approve this.


Ben Holsapple said...

Because clearly what God really cares about is popularity.

Come to think of it, I'd really like a new big-screen TV...and if God doesn't give it to me after I've asked for it, well, people are going to think he doesn't exist...see, it's in God's best interests to give me a new TV.

You can tell right away that this speech is the result of some serious philosophical thought.

Anonymous said...

This fellow is the Karl Rove of Heaven: giving God the helpful advice He needs, concerning the political implications of His actions.


The Capitalist said...

This thought process is without a doubt the most dangerous thing that exists in this world.

It is also a massive contributor to the anti-religion movement.

Chad said...

I guess Obama is not the right kind of christian.

Chad said...


Stephen Harper sucks!

Way Way Up said...

Good thing God has Republicans around to give Him advice.

Not to go on a religious rant but its my understanding that, according to the Bible, God is under no obligation to follow the advice or wishes or mere mortals.

The line thought presented here is a GROSS PERVERSION of what the Bible teaches. I'm very curious to see what the reaction from this goof is in the event of an Obama victory.

Anonymous said...

Where do you get this stuff? What do you type into a search engine to find these people?


Megan said...

I read a lot of blogs, and that's where I found this.

It was a couple of days ago, so I can't remember which one. If I had to guess, I would say it was probably on one of the Alaskan sites. I doubt it was on Stuff Christians Like.

Chad said...

Ooooh snap!

Cindy said...

Man, this bothers me.

Doesn't ANYONE read the early Church Fathers anymore? Hello, Aquinas? Augustine? Even Paul in the Bible???

Humility in prayer, and generally praying to conform YOUR will to the will of God (and not to sway God to do what you want)is the cornerstone of authentic Christian prayer. (Ahem, thy will be done and all that...)

As a Catholic, of course I believe in intercessory prayer, but the end of every intercessory prayer is basically "if this is your will, Lord."

Don't make me come down there and teach basic Christian history and philosophy.

Rev. Holsapple, what say you? Do American Christians read the early Fathers? Is Christian history an important part of pastoral education and care there? (Or anywhere?)

Megan said...

This was Palin's explanation for her prayer about the war, right? She was praying that the war was a task from God, not stating that it was.

The Capitalist said...

Palin said -Pray for our troops because they are on a mission. And that mission is from God-

Megan said...

Here's what she said:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan, and that plan is God’s plan. So, bless them with your prayers, your prayers of protection over our soldiers."

I copied this from a blog that was railing against the elite media. It's phrased in a weird way, but what else can we expect from her? I think she was saying that she wants people to pray that the troops' mission is from God.

I think I'll get another Diet Coke. Please pray that my sweet tooth is from God, everyone. If I gain any weight, that will be proof that some other god is the real one.

Anonymous said...

Hi Cindy,
Some Americans read the Fathers, like some Canadians, like some people read Shakespeare. Many more people read People magazine (and many many watch television).
Americans are very conscious of being the most powerful country on earth, and like all powerful people, we suffer from the illusion that we got here by our superior virtue. So, we are susceptible to the (ridiculous) idea that God is on our side.

Rev Holsapple

The Capitalist said...

And what a terrible illusion America is under.

I am ONE MAN. Lend me $53 Trillion (expected American debt under its current policies) and I'll build a military force 10x what America has ever dreamed of.

Michael said...

Dear Uncle Nate,

I really like Barack Obama's talent. And I like his idea to take money and give it to poor people. They have no money. Stores don't need money. They already have lots.

I really hope that people vote for him. Because he is the best.

I think if you want to go to war, it's your problem. And it should not cost money for other people.

The Capitalist said...

As an interesting side-note to Michael's comment... McCain refers to that type of thing as "Class Warfare". That is a common argument amoungst Conservatives such as myself. However, with my recent experience in the world, I can see the deception in the "Class Warfare" the Republicans seem intent on insisting Obama is pursuing.

This was displayed several times throughout the last debate with the references to "Joe The Plumber". However, those of us with brains (and we're an admittedly small group) realize Joe only wants to take over his bosses business because he knows he will then be able to charge 80 bucks an hour for the work he only has to pay his employees 15 for. So I ask you.... Where is the REAL "Class Warfare"? Suck on that Conservatives!

Vote Obama

-Please note this post takes place @ 11:45pm on a friday night...

Anonymous said...

Dear Cindy,
I now see that I didn't really answer your question, which was directed to the education of the clergy: are we trained by a study of the Church Fathers?
That varies greatly, from denomination to denomination. Standards of education vary greatly, among the denominations. And of course, in a society where religion is given "free exercise", any sort of nut can be called "the reverend", and present any sort of nutty idea as the "teaching of the Church."
This might give some grim satisfaction to a Roman Catholic, because it is just the sort of chaos which the Papacy is designed to prevent. You have a centralized authority, with standards for education and behavior. A Roman Catholic priest would presumably be disciplined for a stupid prayer like this one.
I believe the actual danger of "free exercise" is not very great: I have never heard the sentiments in this video expressed, by any clergy of any denomination, during a lifetime in the ministry. So the chaos that was feared is not reality.

The media distorts reality, here. That is, an oddity - - insignificant by itself - - is reproduced a million times on television screens, and made to appear common. This guy is clearly an oddity, which the television news has decided to multiply, for some purpose.

Reverend Holsapple