tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post2150364649762015322..comments2023-05-09T07:01:54.557-07:00Comments on Reflections in the snow-covered hills: Take no prisoners, only killMeganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17013847036123410760noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-42537600842625617632008-01-08T10:46:00.000-07:002008-01-08T10:46:00.000-07:00Tolkien is no LewisTolkien is no LewisKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02836796217845889033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-23978508470212993772007-12-29T14:29:00.000-07:002007-12-29T14:29:00.000-07:00I can't really get behind material which I find to...I can't really get behind material which I find to be philosophically empty and I don't think that these books are ones which our children should be encouraged to read. That said, I don't think that we gaining anything by banning such books. The ideal situation would be one in which they are taught to think and are exposed to so much good literature that they are able to recognize for themselves what is trash and what is not. This is to be achieved by MORE reading, not less.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I do agree that schools should have control over what materials are age appropriate. Having never read the book, I have no specific opinions about its quality or appropriateness.Torqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02187892279807810160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-52857360333887657642007-12-29T11:35:00.000-07:002007-12-29T11:35:00.000-07:00Honestly, I'm surprised. As a Christian, I dislike...Honestly, I'm surprised. As a Christian, I dislike "His Dark Materials" for the 3rd book, not the first. After all, it's in the 3rd book that they murder God, set up a republic of heaven to replace the kingdom thereof, and (if Pullman himself is to be believed) have two adolescents engage in some sexual understanding of one another in order to retell the Eden story.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, these books were written to counter what Pullman saw as the patent nonsense (and lack of democracy)of the Narnia books. <BR/><BR/>As a person, I just dislike them because they aren't very good fantasy. Pullman is good, but he's no Tolkien.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-35983409221917787272007-12-23T11:48:00.000-07:002007-12-23T11:48:00.000-07:00I agree; the problem is created by adults, on both...I agree; the problem is created by adults, on both sides.<BR/> Probably the Catholic school board is over-reacting (I haven't read the books), but the characterization of their action as "banning books" or "censorship" is also an overreaction. The book in question has not been banned, or burned, or made illegal. This is not censorship.<BR/>All libraries select books, and when you select one book, you reject another one. No public library offers pornography, for one obvious example. Another example would be blatantly racist books, or books promoting cruelty to animals. <BR/> It's silly to expect a Catholic library to promote books that insult the Catholic Church.<BR/> Tolerance goes two ways.<BR/><BR/>DadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-59703626027800345202007-12-23T10:50:00.000-07:002007-12-23T10:50:00.000-07:00Perhaps someone who has read the books can enlight...Perhaps someone who has read the books can enlighten me: Is the evil Magisterium presented in a way that a child would recognise it as representing the church? Most kids don't even get the symbolism in the Narnia series.<BR/><BR/>I have a young child and have watched many others grow up. They typically do not think of storybooks as being philosophical forays, they think of them as cool stories. <BR/><BR/>I think this is a problem that has been created by adults. It reminds me of the Harry Potter nonsense.Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013847036123410760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-74407027939582599012007-12-23T10:36:00.000-07:002007-12-23T10:36:00.000-07:00I think the point of contention is in the fact tha...I think the point of contention is in the fact that they are children's books. It's all well and good to say that we should let our kids reason things out for themselves, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that our kids are miniature philosophers. Children do not approach issues in a particularly rational fashion. For example, there's very little chance that a fat man could fit down your chimney tomorrow night, or any other night, but millions of children believe it. If they were to stop and think about it rationally, they would see that it's not possible. The fact that kids (or most kids - I'm aware <I>some</I> children do reject such things) do not challenge these types of beliefs shows that they do not have a sufficiently rational approach.<BR/><BR/>I'm not particularly in favor of brainwashing children, per se, but do you really think we should allow them to be completely free in this regard, knowing that their intellect is still quite underdeveloped? You wouldn't let your child play unsupervised in a chemistry lab, so why would you let them undertake philosophical forays unattended? I think the danger of a false worldview is far more urgent and more lasting than the danger of, say, a test tube on fire.<BR/><BR/>There is also a difference between believing yourself to be all-knowing and believing yourself to be more knowledgable than someone else. You do not have to be all-knowing to help someone out on thier philosophical paths - you just have to know a little bit more than they do. If this is true, then it is perfectly within your rights to attempt to teach the less knowledgable person. And I'm pretty sure that there are relatively few cases where a child knows more about the world than the parent. Since religion and philosophy are parts of the world, it is perfectly within your rights as a parent to teach your child about these things.<BR/><BR/>I myself am against the straight-up banning of books or their removal from libraries; however, I can certainly understand the motivations for doing so. A more reasonable solution would be to simply watch what your kids read - you may be able to supervise your child's development, but you can't tell me, for instance, that I can't read the book. Once you are satisfied that your child possesses an intellect which is capable of coming to the right conclusions even when mildly deluded (for example, deducing that there is no Santa Claus even though you say there is), <I>then</I> you should begin exposing them to "incorrect" ideas.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Basically, I agree that knowledge is a good thing. However, to present information that is false to someone who is without the facility to determine that it is false is nothing short of irresponsible. Your child is far better off not knowing what a handgun is than they are thinking that it's a lollipop.<BR/><BR/>-Mandal ManAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-48704136180636966282007-12-23T08:35:00.000-07:002007-12-23T08:35:00.000-07:00Thanks my wonderful niece for pointing out the abs...Thanks my wonderful niece for pointing out the absurdity of banning books.<BR/>Auntie Librarian<BR/><BR/>PS I liked the books.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810769138872921064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-11729535863952156382007-12-22T13:13:00.000-07:002007-12-22T13:13:00.000-07:00I wouldn't introduce my kids to the Golden Compass...I wouldn't introduce my kids to the Golden Compass or any of the His Dark Materials trilogy, because I basically think the books suck. I've read all three. I wasn't impressed.<BR/><BR/>But if they bring these books into my Catholic house, that's just fine. I'm glad I have read them and can discuss them with the kids and point out the many different ways the trilogy's Magisterium is fictional and is not the Catholic Church (or the Anglican Church, since the Magisterium in the series is headquartered in Great Britain.)<BR/><BR/>It's the same reason I read the Da Vinci Code. How can you debunk something if you've never read it?<BR/><BR/>However, about this "it's just fiction" argument: sorry, but that is a logical fallacy. Fictional writing can have a great impact on the way anyone views the world. Just because the details of a story are fictional doesn't mean the author isn't trying to espouse some greater truth or mistruth through the work.<BR/><BR/>Philip Pullman freely admits the His Dark Materials trilogy encourages the reader to reject belief in God. He is an atheist (and a devout one, lol). He firmly beleives atheism is the truth and wants others to see the light.<BR/><BR/>I respect his honesty. The reason I absolutely detest Dan Brown and his work is he is a liar. He claims his back story details in The DA Vinci Code are historical truth. Anyone in first year history in university could dispell almost every piee of his so-called "true" back story. In fact, historians from across the globe, including athesits, have debunked Brown's "true" back story.<BR/><BR/>OK, rant over. Thanks for this post, Megan. Banning books is patent nonsense.Cinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02056744133580557963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35316145.post-39734229486785226142007-12-22T11:42:00.000-07:002007-12-22T11:42:00.000-07:00I am an educator.It really saddens me to hear stuf...I am an educator.<BR/><BR/>It really saddens me to hear stuff like this. I work in a K-8 school and KNOW how difficult it is to get kids into reading, and for people/school boards to do this, is really disheartening. It's a novel for goodness sake, a freakin' novel.<BR/><BR/>I find it really interesting how people, when elected to seats of 'power' they think they are God and they know what is best for all. I wonder if ANY of those board members were/are educators. My advise is simple, allow children to read what they want AND teach them to think, and develop their own opinions based on evidence, values, & beliefs.<BR/><BR/>I assume that this board will be asking all families to throw out all video games, movies, dirty magazines that are just as "inappropriate."<BR/><BR/>Signed: An Angered, But Mostly Saddened EduFAIRYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com